Korey Rowe - The Loose Cannon of 9/11
Thursday, August 10th, 2006
Back Home from Iraq with Army grunt-turned-film producer Korey Rowe
By Michael Slenske
Michael Slenske writes SMITH’s Back Home From Iraq column.
“I see myself as a person who’s a buffer between conspiracy theorist and military informant, so I thought my help on Loose Change would make it a better quality piece, something more mainstream people, who aren’t dove into conspiracies, could really watch and take in.”
It took two governors, four Congressmen, three former White House officials, and two special counsels two years to compile. They reviewed over two and half million pages of classified and de-classified documents, consulted 1200 sources in 10 countries, and spent over $15 million of the taxpayers’ money in the process. And on July 22, 2004, the 9/11 Commission issued their final report about the terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Is it possible that two twentysomethings from “a small hippie town that time forgot” could undermine that entire effort with $8,000 and a laptop?
Yes, if you ask ex-Army specialist Korey Rowe. The 23-year old from Oneonta, New York returned home from two tours—one to Afghanistan; the other to Iraq—to help his best friends, Dylan Avery (director) and Jason Bermas (researcher), produce the sensational 80-minute, Web-based documentary Loose Change, which seeks to establish the government’s complicity in the terror attacks by addressing some very tough questions: Why wasn’t Ground Zero treated like a crime scene? How did both towers “freefall” to the ground “in 9.2 seconds” in just under two hours? And where are the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175?
While the film is admittedly flawed and draws on some dubious new media sources, including Wikipedia, it’s inarguably sparked a new interest in the “9/11 Truth” movement. Since its April 2005 debut online, Loose Change (the first and second edition) has received over 10 million viewings, it was just featured in the August issue of Vanity Fair, and the final cut of the film is expected to debut at the Sundance Film Festival in January. “I’ve got four movie studios [including Paramount and Miramax] beating down my door to make the final cut,” says Rowe, who’s now got offices from California to London to handle his growing company. Last week SMITH caught up with Rowe—who’s been labeled everything from a traitor to a CIA operative in the past year—to see how he went from protecting the Iraq-Syrian border against Muslim insurgents to a self-described “conspiracy theorist” poised to take Hollywood (and the country) by storm.
Do you work for the CIA?
No, I do not work for the CIA.
Just wanted to get that out of the way. What made you want to join the military?
The fact that I was doing nothing. I was 18; I wasn’t ready to go to college yet. I knew that if I went to college I wouldn’t have spent too much time in class, I would have spent my time partying. I wouldn’t have gotten done what I needed to do. It would have been a waste of my parents’ money. So I decided it would probably be best if I joined the military—this was pre-September 11—Bush was in office, there wasn’t a whole lot going on, I didn’t foresee a war happening, I just thought it would be a good way to get out of town, man-up a little, and then move on with the rest of my life. Before I knew it, I just joined.
Did you want to go to war?
At first I did. I wanted to retaliate for September 11. The government told me it was Osama bin Laden, the government told me he was hiding in caves in Afghanistan, they told me he had killed a bunch of innocent Americans, so at first I wanted to go over there and defend just like everyone else. It was the hooah thing to do at the time.
What were you doing in Afghanistan?
My primary MOS [military occupational specialty] was 11 Bravo, which is infantry, frontline infantry. I was carrying a gun, humping a lot of weight on my back. That was what I did in Afghanistan full time. I was at the Kandahar airfield, Bagram, and Khost. But in Afghanistan I really didn’t do much. I was there for six months, pulled a lot of guard; I went on, I think, three missions. Never got any enemy contact, never got fired on, I watched it on my perimeter, a couple hundred meters out while someone else was getting shot at, but I never really got any action.
And in Iraq?
In Iraq I went from the southern tip all the way into Baghdad. I road in the back of a truck from the southern tip, through the desert into Al-Hillah, took the battle of Al-Hillah, which was pretty crazy; it looked like a Vietnam movie. Then we moved further north into Baghdad, where we were in Medical City. I was stationed in an emergency room door for about a month and a half just watching these bodies of children and their families come in. Then I moved north into Mosul, swung west into Sinjar, on the Syrian-Turkey border where we had to watch for insurgents coming across the border.
How did that experience change you?
I went from being some kid who had no idea about anything in the military—I didn’t even know what the infantry was when I joined, I just told them I wanted to shoot stuff and blow stuff up—to being a communications specialist for my commander. That was really when I started to see the bigger picture—when I started working for higher commanders—seeing how things ran.
When was the first time you heard from Dylan Avery about what he was doing with Loose Change back in New York?
After I got back from Afghanistan he started to talk about the idea that 9/11 was an inside job, and started letting me know about some of the information he had come across. It was between returning from Afghanistan and redeploying for Iraq that my mind started to click on. I was like, “Wait a minute—I was in Afghanistan three months ago, and now I’m going to be in Iraq in four months, I’ve got to invade another country, where is this going?” Then—and I hate to say this—I saw Fahrenheit 911, which to me is a terrible movie. But a lot of it made sense in the pretext and military build-up to Afghanistan before we were actually attacked. When I walked out of that movie I was like, “Wow, that messed with my head.” Right before I deployed for Iraq I had the inclination that something was seriously wrong. But then it didn’t matter because at that point I had to go. My unit needed me. I was the company RTO [radio telephone operator], I was running communications. It didn’t matter what my personal beliefs were. I just had to go over and shut my mouth for another year.
So why this film?
Loose Change happened by accident. The whole thing started out as a fictional screenplay about me and Dylan and another friend of ours finding out 9/11 was an inside job. It started out as a comedic action film with us being chased by the FBI and all that. But when Dylan started researching the screenplay he found out the attacks really were an inside job, so we made it into a documentary. I see myself as a person who’s a buffer between conspiracy theorist and military informant, so I thought my help on Loose Change would make it a better quality piece, something more mainstream people who aren’t into conspiracies could really watch and take in. I call it the gateway drug because it can take someone totally green to the information—who believed Muslims carried out 9/11, that the World Trade Center was brought down because of jet fuel, and that the Pentagon was hit by a plane—you put them in front of this movie and 80 minutes later they are going to question it at least. Bottom line: they’re going to question it. It makes people think. It made me think, so I wanted to make other people think.
When you got back from Iraq did you know you wanted to go work on the film?
No, I went back to work. I was training. That’s what you do. When you’re not deployed you’re in the rear either fixing your gear or using your gear. I was stationed in Fort Campbell, Kentucky the whole four years besides the time I was overseas. When you’re back from overseas you get a month off, you clean your gear, and then go fight again.
Didn’t you ever stop and think, “Wait, Dylan is just a kid.”?
Yeah, several times. I thought, I’m in the military, I know stuff. But Dylan was way more informed than me. Like I said, I’m getting the Army Times, I’m getting the AFN, and now it’s out, it’s reported that the government spent millions of dollars spinning false articles to newspapers across the world. So who’s to say the Armed Forces Network and the Army Times aren’t chockfull of bullshit.
How prevalent is that mindset in the Army?
That they know what’s going on?
Yeah?
It’s 98 percent. It’s a fantasy world those people live in. I mean it’s really something. I call them infected. They can’t come back to civilian life. They’re like, “You can’t get out of the Army, you ain’t gonna get no job, you ain’t gonna do nothing. You gonna work at Burger King. What are you gonna do at Burger King? You still wear a uniform; you still get a hair cut at Burger King. So why don’t you just stay in the Army, join up, sign again, get $6,000.” If you don’t re-enlist they just make you sit in a chair. They made me sit in a chair for a week. Sit in that chair until you re-enlist. I just sat there. “You want me to sit in this chair,” I said, “I’ll sit in this chair for a month, because in a month I’m out of here.”
When you came back was there anything that really bothered you about the American public?
Yeah, their ability to believe the B.S. they see on TV. They’re so in tune with their television and CNN and Fox News and the New York Post. They watch the news and the news reporter, whoever it is, forms an opinion for them. Take the release of the Pentagon video. CNN had been bashing conspiracies all day because people kept writing in about conspiracy theories. They build it up for two hours, then they show the video, then Jamie McIntyre, who we actually use in our video says, “All right, there’s the plane, you can see it, there’s the vapor trail, and there’s the explosion. They only shoot in half-second frames; it’s the only shot of the Pentagon. We’ll be right back to cover more of this. This is undisputed proof that a plane hit the Pentagon.” They go to commercial, and instead of coming back and going to Flight 77, they go to American Idol. They just implant the idea, there’s Jamie McIntyre saying he sees a 757 flying into the Pentagon, and then they switch to American Idol. So then when someone says there’s no plane that hit the Pentagon someone else can say, “That’s not true, I watched CNN this afternoon. Jamie McIntyre saw the plane, he showed me.” People believe anything because it’s on CNN.
What do you think about the Popular Mechanics cover story about “Debunking 9/11 Myths”?
That’s a good article. It covers some good information, but it directly takes away from some of the facts. It states that NATO scrambled planes at one time that could’ve intercepted the planes, but couldn’t because they couldn’t reach them in time. That’s bullshit. That article reports they only would’ve had to have flown at 24 percent of their full-blower, and an F15 flies at 1800 mph. You’re telling me when the first plane was hi-jacked at 8:20am, until 9:45, when the plane was flown into the Pentagon, you’re telling me that not one F-15 could be scrambled and taken down one of those planes. Not to mention the [“Debunking 9/11 Myths”] piece stands on the Nova theory (the “Pancake Theory”) that one floor collapsed on another floor creating a succession of collapses where the towers fell. If that’s true, you have a 75-story office building untouched by fuel, fire, any debris whatsoever. You have a 30-story chunk above that, which is also untouched. You have the 78th to 82nd floor, which is on fire. Think about that. You have a 70-something story office building, untouched, unscathed by fuel. You’re going to tell me that the steel supposedly weakened, fell on one floor, on top of another floor, on top of another floor, for 78 floors, reaching the ground floor, and fell in 9.2 seconds. 9.2 seconds is the exact rate of freefall for a building that tall, which is 1,368 feet tall. If you take Galileo’s Law of Falling Bodies and you calculate the distance by the time it takes to fall, it’s 9.2 seconds. That means that all those floors fell without any resistance from any of those untouched floors below it. It’s completely impossible. Not only do you have to do that, you just have to watch the collapse of the towers. You can see the bombs going off. It is so obvious. It’s an umbrella theory. You blow up the top to conceal what’s going on beneath it.
The Blair Witch Project also looked real to people who were in on the documentary preceding it. It totally worked. The first time you watch it, it grabs you. But Loose Change isn’t meant to be fictional. It’s a watchable film, but what do you expect people to do with it?
What I encourage people to do is go out and research it themselves. We don’t ever come out and say that everything we say is 100 per cent. We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves—the B52 [remarked to have flown into the Empire State Building], the use of Wikipedia, things like that. We left them in there so people will want to discredit us and go out and research the events yourself and come up with your own conclusions. That’s our whole goal, to make Americans think. To wake up from the 16 amps of your television to watch something and get a passion in something again. And that’s what America has always been about. From the Vietnam protests…it’s always been about a passion. And now we’re trying to build that passion in people, to wake up, to stop watching television, to stop reading the crappy newspapers, and go online and find those de-classified documents, go find the scientists that aren’t young filmmakers, but the ones after Steven E. Jones at BYU, who has steel from the World Trade Center and has conducted tests on the steel and it’s come to the point, over and over again, that what they [the 9-11 Commission] say can’t be true. That it had to be brought down by controlled demolition. Our whole goal is to wake Americans up to do something about it.
What do you say to people who’d say you’re doing this to make a dollar?
You should see my dilapidated house in upstate New York. I drive a Ford F-150 that has a tape player. We sell DVDs, we make money, but we just give the shit away because we don’t want to be war profiteers. We’re not about making money on the whole thing—we’re about getting information out. That’s why we’ve turned down seven figures, more than once, from people looking to buy our film and put it in theaters—because they don’t care about it. They only see the moneymaking aspect of it. We want to make sure it’s handled correctly. That the movie gets out 100 per cent accurate when it comes out in theaters, because it’s obviously not now, and that it’s projected in the right light so people aren’t threatened by it. If we coordinate 500 theaters across the country to start playing it, it’s going to start a wave. We’re going to have a whole weekend of events on 9/11 just to raise awareness among New Yorkers so that we can try to get an independent investigation to look back into the facts that every news agency in the world has ignored. Americans are going to be pissed.
Great article Mike.
Thanks for the support.
Korey
Wow!!! I enjoyed reading that 9/11 post… I’ve been trying to say it ever since that morning I was watchin it on my Large Screen TV. and I’ve gotten nothing but harrassment ever since. You’d be surprised how even your closest family members can turn on you, out of fear!!!
I’ve written on blogs across the Internet about Nazi America, I’ve even had a member of congress call me personally for an interview of Why??? I feel this way.
Good luck, and keep it up! It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s got to do it…
by Diana, A victim…
[Still a Victim of the System’s Flaws!!!]
Not only is “Loose Change” not 100% accurate, it is 100% inaccurate. I’ve spent a lot of time analyzing each claim in the movie. I found 81 errors of fact, and 356 other errors. Every single material claim is wrong, and many of them are horribly, laughably wrong, as if not a single minute was spent on fact checking. I’ve written a 146-page critique of the video. View it here online as HTML
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
Or download the 5 Mb .doc file here
http://tinyurl.com/epp82
Note: the critique will be updated to reflect recent changes to “Loose Change 2nd Edition.”
In addition, my compilation of interviews “Loose Change Creators Speak” is often shocking in the disrespect it reveals for the victims of 9/11. (Korey Rowe appears in it primarily in the long excerpts from the Air America Phoenix interview.) View it here. http://tinyurl.com/s8ouv
You left in errors on purpose??? You’re just testing your audience to see if they’re paying attention?
Perhaps you could back up this statement, because frankly I don’t trust anything you say to be factual–you might just be testing me:
“That’s why we’ve turned down seven figures, more than once, from people looking to buy our film and put it in theaters”
Some interesting facts about the claims of the 9/11 “truth movement”
Not a single civil engineer (structural, construction or otherwise), fire engineer, forensic engineer, demolition expert, architect (with experience with steel framed buildings), materials scientist/mechanical engineer (with a background in building materials or methods) or construction contractor from anywhere in the world publicly supports them.
Of the approximately 20,000 who were in the WTC between the time of the 1st crash and the 2nd collapse only 4 (about 0.02%) publicly supports them. Three of them only spoke up after getting involved in a lawsuit, one of those (Rodriguez) contradicted earlier statements he had made. The 4th an EMT said she saw an airplane explode of NJ that morning.
The Zogby polls show the LOWER one’s educational level the MORE likely they are to believe them
I wanted to believe Mr. Mark Roberts comments and went to his site to see his point-by-point argument against the free, on-line video at http://www.loosechange911.com
I’m sorry, Mr. Roberts…
But your arguement sucks ass…
Loose Change 1, (attempt to rob)erts (the Truth)
Only one thing needs to be said to prove 9/11 was an inside job!
The owner of the World Trade Center’s lease, Silverstein, admitted on video that he gave the okay to “Pull” building Seven.
Now please go to controlled-demolition.com and let them tell you how long it takes to set up ONLY SIX FLOORS!
I will tell you what they say but check it out for yourself.
It takes months to drill 2,500 holes and 10 guys one week to load the explosives and pull the wires for ONLY SIX FLOORS.
Building seven was 47 floors and it fell seven hours after Silverstein gave the okay to “Pull” building seven.
Now that you know the TRUTH about building seven, watch it fall in slow motion, then watch the towers fall in slow motion.
Notice same squibb patterns?
I thought Debra Burlingame, the sister of the pilot killed on Flight 77 put it rather well:
“The only thing they seem to have gotten right about the September 11 attacks was the date on which they occurred.”
Please provide a refernce to where Silverstein said he gave the OK to “pull” building Seven. Why would he make such a comment to the head of the fire department? Why would the NYFD demo the building? Obviously he was refering to pulling the firefighters near 7 WTC
http://911myths.com/html/wtc7___silverstein.html
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
“I thought Debra Burlingame, the sister of the pilot killed on Flight 77 put it rather well:
“The only thing they seem to have gotten right about the September 11 attacks was the date on which they occurred.” ”
It sould be noted that the “they” she was refering to are the makers of Loose Change.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-27-conspiracies-sept-11_x.htm
I’m going to have to remain skeptical of this.
Two things particularly bother me here.
One is that they said they started this as a comedic action film. Huh?
The other is that they left errors in the film so that people would discredit them and then go on to do research for themselves.
Great. How are we supposed to believe the meat of the argument if they are telling us that some of the argument is intentionally false? Doesn’t that undermine the whole premise?
I mean I’d like to see the finished film, but when you leave openings like this people will call you a nut job.
I think we need factual and not conspiritorial.
A bit of an exaggeration and presumption to say that not a single engineer…..supports them. How would you know this? I have read comments from firemen and engineers over the past five years who doubt the official story of the collapse of the towers.
People are like sheep. There easily swayed and programmed. You can pick apart some of the theory but you cannont ignore the overwhelming evidince of complicity by the military and elements within the Bush regime. Maybe there is an underlying wish on the part of most skeptics that it not be true. It’s kind of like finding out that your father is a serial rapist and murderer. You do everything to deny it and condone it.
Bottom line, if it was not a conspiracy why didn’t heads roll over the serious ineptitude that allowed 3 commercial jets (or whatever you think they were) to slam in to 3 of the most important buildings in America without a single military jet reaching them to take them out? Some folks were not doing their jobs…and they are still in power!
Showtime wrote:
“A bit of an exaggeration and presumption to say that not a single engineer…..supports them. How would you know this? I have read comments from firemen and engineers over the past five years who doubt the official story of the collapse of the towers.”
Please cite any of these firemen or engineers. Note that in my original comment I said “Not a single civil engineer (structural, construction or otherwise), fire engineer, forensic engineer…materials scientist/mechanical engineer (with a background in building materials or methods)” So electrical engineers, aerospace engineers, agricultural engineers and mechanical engineers who specialize in dental fillings don’t count. Also note that I say PUBLICLY supports them. You can claim engineers in the US / West have been intimidated or some such BS, but what about engineers in Iran, Cuba or pre-invasion Iraq etc. Fetzer, founder of S911T, was so incensed by this lack of expert backing for his theories he said something about there being some “special place in hell” for structural engineers.
Some firemen did make comments at the time that some interpret as supporting the controlled demo theory but many of these were taken out of context http://www.debunking911.com/quotes.htm . See if you can find any post Sept. ‘01 comments from firemen stating they believe explosives were used. Note that Paul Isaac jr. isn’t and never was a real fireman or anywhere near the towers on the morning of 9-11. There is an EMT who claimed she heard explosions at WTC 6 but she also claims to have seen a plane explode over New Jersey http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110048.PDF#search=%22%22Patricia%20Ondrovic%22%22 pg. 7.
As for why the planes weren’t intercepted and why no one was punished it has to be remembered that is not the kind of threat the US’s air defenses were set up to defend against. The only plane they had a real chance of intercepting was flight 77, but intercepting a plane flying an erratic flight path with its transponder off in crowded air space isn’t so easy. By contrast it to about 80 minutes for a fighter already in the air to intercept Payne Stewart’s plane and it was flying in a straight line over uncrowded airspace (Iowa IIRC) and had it’s transponder on. There really was no hijack protocol because it had been over a decade since a plane was commandeered midair in US airspace.
Len
Yawn! Another BS conspiracy theory supported by half-truths and innuendo. This one doesn’t even pass the common sense test. It’s got more holes in it than a rusted screen door!
The only thing I want to know is why they didn’t take the time to completely go through the rubble? Wouldn’t this have been the perfect time for engineers to conduct a structural analysis of the building? It seems to me that it’s silly to think they didn’t use this opportunity to improve building safety because no one thought of it. Think about it. They always do an engineering study after every major air plane accident or train wreck to improve safety in the future. Why was 9/11 an exception to the rules? Why was the mangled steel hauled away without examination? Once someone can explain this to me I’ll side with the conspiracy buffs.
Why didn’t they “completely go through the rubble?” You’re kidding right? There were hundreds of thousands of tons of rubble you think they should have gone closely over all of it? Numerous teams including investigators from the American Society of Civil Engineers went over the debris from the trade center. The ASCE BPS selected several hundred pieces of structural steel for closer examination.
The collapses were the subjects of several studies most notably the ASCE/FEMA report and the NIST report. The latter including all supplemental reports comes out to several thousand pages.
Maybe you should look into the facts BEFORE you make silly commments
Conspiracy theorists all have one thing in common. But I won’t go there. Instead, I just want to say it sickens me that someone like you, living in the United States, enjoying the benefits of a democracy, including freedom of speech, would like to divert blame for the overwhelming tragedy that occured on 9/11 from the terrorist animals masquerading as humans, who committed this crime, to the US Government.
The loose change video is unmitigated crap from start to finish, nothing but a collection of nonsense from internet conspiracy sites without a single piece of independent research.
Worse than that, it gets every single alleged “fact” wrong. It is dishonest and disgusting in its portrayal of the victims, their families, the firefighters, and everyone else it comments about.
The kids that put this together should hang their heads in shame.
Unlike the kids who created the loose (with the truth) change video, Mr. Roberts’ work is factual and first rate.
Take a look at what Rowe and Avery and Bermas have to say in their own words that shows their utter disregard for the truth and mocking contempt for the victims of the September 11 tragedy here:
http://tinyurl.com/s8ouv
It’s truly disgusting.
Then see these:
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
http://tinyurl.com/epp82
Educate yourself.
Message to Len,
WTF are you talking about?
I graduated from the Randells Island FDNY in after “95″ after taking the course for The FDNY Auxiliary Fire Corps NYS/NYC Civil Defense. We were Trained by Lt Willaim Barrett RTO.
My first assignemen was Engine Company 207 TFS on tilleray st Bklyn under Captain Charles Phaye in 95/96 afterwards I was running with Engine 294 under Captain Richard Rotanz (Deputy Diector of OEM on 9-11 at WTC 7) I am trained by FEMA Via FDNY in Radiological monitoring and am a trained Watchstander.
In 98/99 I ran with Engine 10 WTC under Captain Eugen Kelty.
I was an NYPD Auxiliary Police Officer#12017-438136 REG# 61 Pct / 17PCT.
I am now involved with the spooky hunter operation looking at disinformation producers like yourself there Len as well as the kiddieporn freaks wingtv and the jewbasher turned narc Dylan avery who everyone seems so facinated with.
“The last time ACT-0 was called was in 1903″ ?
better one ” The Empire state building was hit by a B-52″ ?
I love how everyone keeps quoting the Wingtv article from last years anniversary even thought its been confirmed as Bullsh*t.
I support the truth but There are spooks within the movement.
So len get your story straight there buddy, you’re looking like an ass.
An yes I was at the towers right by the mayors office at BWY and Park Row when the N/T and operated there and near there at West and W Houston at the NYPD THV Command with PD Dep Chief Ginn and Dep Insp Mcarthy and Dep Chief Esposito and many many more who will confirm my presence there, spookie.
So get a grip or someone will get a grip on you.
Have a nice day
Paul Isaac Jr (Sentinel)
Paul,
Perhaps I was mistaken about you and owe you an apology. Maybe you can clear up some doubts I have. You object to my statement that you weren’t a “real fireman” or “near the towers on the morning of 9-11”
REAL FIREMAN?
You were (are?) an “auxiliary” firefighter. I searched in vain on the Internet and the NYFD site for any relevant information about NYFD auxiliary firefighters. The only reference I found for ‘ “Auxiliary fireman” OR “Auxiliary firefighter” +NYFD [ http://tinyurl.com/erbk3 ] that wasn’t for the sale of WWII era memorabilia or referring to you was a posting on a forum it described “auxiliary fire fighter” as a “civilian contractor accredited to the NYFD”. Why do you suppose that is? Can you explain what the role/responsibilities of auxiliary firemen are? During your period as an “auxiliary” firefighter did you ever enter a burning building? Do you think regular NYFD firefighters would consider you a “real fireman”? If you no longer are with the NYFD what caused you to leave?
NEAR THE TOWERS?
I based my statement that you weren’t near the Trade Center that morning on an article I read about a year ago which IIRC stated you were at home in Brooklyn monitoring your NYFD and NYPD scanners, IIRC this article was based on an interview with you. Is my recollection or the article incorrect?
When I referred to “the morning of 9-11” I meant specifically the critical period from 8:46 to 10:28 between when the North Tower was hit by flight 11 and it collapsed. This fits with the statement from my earlier post that I was interested in “the approximately 20,000 (people) who were in the WTC between the time of the 1st crash and the 2nd collapse”. According to what is supposedly a statement from you, you were “blocks away…aproaching City Hall (when) the North Tower began the collapse” [ http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61418 note I only found this after seeing your post here]. So it seems you weren’t close to the towers before they collapsed, you aren’t among the group of people I was referring to. You said here that you were “at the towers right by the mayors office at BWY and Park Row when the N/T and operated there and near there at West and W Houston” I assume you meant you were at City Hall (Park Row and B’way) when the North Tower collapsed this contradicts your earlier statement but still leaves you a few thousand feet away, please clarify. It should also be noted for those not familiar with the geography of Manhattan that your second location was well over a mile away from where the towers once stood.
Len
First I’d like to send my condolences to families and freinds and co-waorkers of the two firemen (Lt & Probie) killed at BOX 2797 the Bronx on sunday. This job is more than a job its a family. GOD Bless them.
Now, If you anywhere near the 1368ft and 1362ft towers 1 quarter mile high Mere blocks away it wouldn’t have been far enough after seeing them come down. The buildings were enormouse to say the least.
So calculate 1 quarter mile and maybe tow to three blocks and try to see what the people and I saw that morning at Park Row and BWY.
The Zsamansky article is twisted There was a part in which he stated the fuel tanks were “water tanks.” I was on the north Bound N line train at about the same time as the south tower when the train was rushed by the passengers on the paltform. I was not aware of the circumstance till about 14 st then I got off at 42st. I had my scanner always on my person because I am an advocate of full spectrum awareness for first responders. I operated during my term with E10 with it and kept stressing to Captain now Chief Kelty the need for first responders to have the edge knowing what is occuring with the other first responders.
Now after 9-11 I am working towards that objective.
My work at ground zero initialy was trying to get everyone on the same page, but its kind of hard to do that when all hell is braking loose around you. So at about 1600hrs I was transfered to THV West and W.houston to work with the above mentioned Chief and Dep insp. I can say that it worked and I have alot of friends because of it.
The FDNY Auxiliary Fire Corps along with NYPD Auxiliary Police is Civil Defense under the New York State Emergency Defense Act 1951. We are the “Nuclear Sentinels”.
The FDNY is a governemnt agency like all others with its own politics. We are fighting to regroup our members back to way it was during the time we were recognized as an actual entity of the job.
But, because of coruption and money squandering they thought they were above the law and decided that we didn’t need to be an officially recognized for our work, especially after 9-11.
I will be at GZ in inuform as a sign of respect and as a sign of protest for the blatent treatment that we have to endure because of the corruption.
Sentinel
I want to first send out condolenses to the families friends and co-workers of the LODD of the LT and Fire Probie who were lost at Box 2797 in the Bronx on sunday. May they find peace. GOD Bless.
Now, I don’t know if thios is true but I noticed that my statements are no longer posted. So I’ll go over it again. I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the secontower was hit. I was ther at proximity to see the 20 floor gash in WTC 7. The WTC building was listing south about 20 degrees. Regarding my current status with the FDNY I am civil Defense volunteer not paid civil servant. We fall under the NYS Emergency Defense Act orf 1951. I am trained as watchstander FWD Sigint. I monitor NY/NJ/LI transpotation First Responder Communications as well as transportation and security networks. The FDNY is political as all other NYC agencies and has its ups and downs.
Now regarding Loosechange: They are frauds and admitted snitches like our buddy Korey who seems to have a problem with telling the truth. He told the veterans for 9-11 truth that he got a nasty threatening letter for copyright infringment from the naudet brothers lawyers “they could be disbarred for it” he says. Yet on this interview he states that paramount was offering seven figures for Loosechange movie, which by the way, he states they have purposely put dis-information “on purpose.” He admits to veterans for 9-11 truth that they were actually threatening the copyright lawyers represent paramount pictures by posting the naudet brother s contact information and having the LC idiot goons send threats. He states in the same interview that he even went to the point of blackmail stating that “if they wanted the threats to stop, then stop the lawsuit.”
Now, he states that when he finnished his tour of duty after Iraq he returned home to work on setting up and fixing stuff, yet, on the original Loosechange corporate page he is listed as going AWOL and joining dylans cause. Then they changed the website to remove the statement made by dylan.
See how they protected wingtv from the LC Extra? They are definately in co-hoots with the co-intel agents just check out steww webbs bushes nazi goons and see for yourself. Did you know wingtv promotes kiddie porn? Whta does the blow up doll have to do with 9-11 truth? What does a boys first wet dream have to do with 9-11 truth? These people are liers to the highest degree.
Sentinel
Paul,
In your reply (comment) to my reply to “showtime” (just about in the middle of the page) you wrote:
“I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the secontower was hit”
Did you mean to write “I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the second tower COLLAPSED”? Or are you now claiming to have gotten to the area much sooner than you have previously? Assuming the former can you tell us exactly where you were when 1 WTC (the North Tower) collapsed? If the later is the case please explain the discrepancy.
As to the first point I’ve raised that so upset you nothing you have said (IMHO) really indicates that auxiliary firefighters are ‘real’ firefighters as most people would define them, do you dispute this?
As to the second I’m willing to concede I was partially in error and that you probably were in the vicinity of the towers that morning (starting around 10:30) but assuming that your statement above was made in error you don’t seem to be disputing my contention that you were not in the WTC complex between the time of the impacts and the collapses, is that right?
I have asked you straight forward questions, I would appreciate straight forward answers as an added advantage they would boost your credibility.
Len
This is a duplicate of a post I made in the middle of the page, but the text cameout illegibly small (at least on my screen)
Paul,
In your reply (comment) to my reply to “showtime” (just about in the middle of the page) you wrote:
“I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the secontower was hit”
Did you mean to write “I was present at vicinity of BWY and Park Row when the second tower COLLAPSED”? Or are you now claiming to have gotten to the area much sooner than you have previously? Assuming the former can you tell us exactly where you were when 1 WTC (the North Tower) collapsed? If the later is the case please explain the discrepancy.
As to the first point I’ve raised that so upset you nothing you have said (IMHO) really indicates that auxiliary firefighters are ‘real’ firefighters as most people would define them, do you dispute this?
As to the second I’m willing to concede I was partially in error and that you probably were in the vicinity of the towers that morning (starting around 10:30) but assuming that your statement above was made in error you don’t seem to be disputing my contention that you were not in the WTC complex between the time of the impacts and the collapses, is that right?
I have asked you straight forward questions, I would appreciate straight forward answers as an added advantage they would boost your credibility.
Len
The term “real firemen” means absolutley nothing.
Does the term “Auxiliary” mean fake or does it mean “supplimental”
Would the fire department put “Fake firemen” to operate with “real firemen”?
Does the term “Civil Defense” mean anything?
Or is it that everyone is so stuck on the hero worship that anything that disputesd their personal beliefs that they automatically become hostile and insulting about trivial word play?
Something to think about when inquiring about people ready to give 100% for the people.
I was present at BWY and Park Row when the second tower collapsed. I ran from 42st back to the trade center. I passed the trade cented on my way to work on the N&R lines at courtland st (WTC) after the second tower S/T was reported by the passengers who rushed the train I was on.
I ran back because E10 L10 Liberty st was my former quarters 98-99. As I reached BWY & Park Row the second tower collapsed. I then made my way to the tower location after the cloud disapated and began with the bucket brigade. I had my scanner but there were problems coordinating full spectrum awareness on the scene. I was then transported to west st and w.houston to work with the above people around 1600hrs. I operated GZ/The pile/The pit for approx 3/4 weeks till the Volunteers were removed.
Stock provissions
Have a nice day
Paul Isaac Jr (Sentinel)
Correction: that was supposed to say after the S/T was impacted.
Take care
Sentinel
I sit my imagination or did this guy say he is a “Military Informant” ?
What does that mean hes a snitch like dylan avery who on the SF/indymedia website made the statement that he called the Hatecrimes branch of the RMCP? While at the same time using anti-semitic statement about both jews and muslims?
Does Korey about the statement made by dylan on SF/Indymedia thankgiving against our military forces fighting in Iraq, check it out for yourself Google lgf; “thanksgiving lgf style” post 81 or 83.
Funnny how someone feels the way he did about our military fighting forces and yet pals around with a army verteran.
Then again, someone who openly admitts to threatening lawyers isn’t all that bright anyway. Especially when they try and make people believe they were being offered a seven figure deal from paramount studio when in fact the were threatening to sue you for copyright infringment for seven figures.
I for one am not surprised being I’ve been calling attention to the theaft of my materail regarding the Keyspan Maspeth Holder Tank Demo that these idiots stole from me under false pretenses. They had me believing they weren’t connected to “jason the jerkoff” then dylan reniged on the deal so as to protect Wingtv for their behavior at Ground Zero.
Thats why you only see me rather than wingtv using racial and anti emitic slurs at GZ. I have the unedited tape show wingtvs victor the child porno pusher aka Denver cointel snitch collaborating with dylan stating “they weren’t there to cause trouble”. Yet if you google Village Voice “conspiracy theorist invade ground zero” by sarah ferguson, you’ll see exactly what these people represent.
They don’t represent anything but criminal exploition and the mocking of the families at ground zero which is proven by Korey Rowe when he states that the purposely kept known disinformation on the LC movie.
Thereby proving he is a disinformation agent.
This from a guy who is reported on the original company page by his own so-called friend that “he went AWOL from the army so he could join the cause”
Can anyone say spook?
Sentinel
Len,
My credibilty has been earned on the battlefield.
Its your credility that is in question when you make statements that had me come here in the first place, my friend.
My E-mail address is all over the Inter-net and you should givin the respect to contact me first before making speculative remarks about the AfC Civil Defense Corps or my credibility.
See, there are spooks playing both sides of the isle.
Whats you background and what have you done to better our present condition?
Sentinel
I watched Loose Change some time ago. I never knew anything about the so called intentional errors, left in to encourage people to do their own research. But I did my own research anyway and reached my own conclusion : That is one great steaming pile of crap you’ve got there, Korey. I defy anyone to distinguish your “intentional” errors from amongst the error mountain you have constructed. Someone offered you seven figures for this garbage and you didn’t take it? You fool. Just think, if you had that money you could spend longer on your next production, doing useful things like checking facts.
http://www.liberalforum.org/blog/entry.php?u=naughtYmike&e_id=457
Websties DEBUNKING The LIES OF 9-11 “TRUTH†PEDDLERS
http://www.debunking911.com/ironburns.htm
http://911myths.com (collections of information)
http://www.billstclair.com/ferran (personal account)
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com (video, photos) and documents
Lol. the truth will find everyone’s ears. You idiot’s trying to debunk alternative theories that have only been put forth because the “official” story doesn’t hold shit. There are near hundreds of “coincidence’s” to debunk. The only reason your trying to debunk them is because we were lied to in the first place.
“There are near hundreds of “coincidence’s” “, that should have been: “There are nearly a hundred “coincidences” ” or “There are hundreds of “coincidences” “. “You idiot’s trying†should not have been with apostrophe s either, “your trying†no “you’re trying†this is 1st grade English. Why should we take the claims of a barely literate poster who can not cite any evidence seriously?
The reason we are debunking these claims is that they are total BS. As Chomsky, Corn and others point this crap plays right into hands of Bush, Rove and the rest of the Neo-Cons. It obscures their real misdeeds and makes their critics look like wackos. It makes moderate voters less likely to vote against the Republicans and leftist voters more likely to vote for third party candidates rather than the Democrats.
Before loose change, I thought that all the conspiracy theories were just a bunch of crap, but this film changed that. I know that not all of the things in this movie are real, for instance when they show the “explosions” at the WTC as the building fell, that could easily be debris shooting out the windows. At any rate, some of this movie is actually very intriguing and frightening. The movie makes you think, that’s what this film is supposed to do, it makes people think. It allows people to see real things, listen to opinions, and decide for themselves what is true and what is not…hence “for your consideration” at the beginning of the film. The movie doesn’t try and force things apon you, it simply gives you evidence and you are supposed to draw that evidence to a conclusion. To me, the most interesting piece was that of the pentagon, the streetlights, the explosions, the hole left there and the film given out for public viewing. This movie is interesting and captivating and it scares you to your core because it makes you wonder whether or not this really could have happened. One thing that offsets any evidence, in my mind, is if this whole theory is true, then where are the people on the planes?
Anyway, a good movie and definitely worth watching.
Links to sites that completely debunk the movie can be found in this thread, as a work of propaganda its quite successful as a piece of journalism its crap. Pseudo-documentary is the best way to describe it. It is interesting to note that similar percentages of the population believe Elvis is still alive and that bombs were planted in the towers. I wonder how much overlap there is?
And its Korey Rowe and his retard gang trying to abuse the fact that Americans are sheep to pull a political agenda. The few arguments that are made in Loose Change that aren’t blatantly inaccurate are instead so obviously incomplete that it is obvious their only purpose is to mislead.
You’ll see things like pictures posted of “the hole” in the Pentagon where the 747 crashed into it… and yet you look at the other pictures presented in that video, and you can’t find the hole… Oh wait, there it is! It’s on the second floor! In fact what they show is less than 1/4 the size of the actual hole! And the bottom of their picture is cut off and cropped to look all grayish and fuzzy, like the ground looked in front of the Pentagon.
There are a thousand obvious attempts to mislead the viewers, because they assume the American sheep will believe every word they say. You can just look at the evidence they put forth and see how easily it contradicts itself.
“Not only is Loose Change not 100% accurate, it is 100% inaccurate.” It is pretty impressive the amount of time and attention to detail it must have taken to create this guys website and yet the first line is a fully qualified exaggeration in itself. Dont know about anyone else but I do photos and vid evidence. Passenger jet, no wing or engine marks on the walls of the pentagon for example.
The United States government pulls off the biggest conspiracy in the history of humanity and then doesn’t silence the Loose Change people? That makes sense.
These claims that Bush was actually behind 9/11 are wrong…
Just take the claim that the building couldn’t have collapsed as fast at it did. Well, I re-enacted the collapse of building using dominoes. I removed the 7th level of a 10-level tower of dominoes, without touching the other floors, and the whole thing went down in free fall. No controlled demolition at all.
I did not even use fire! The impact of my hand hitting the seventh floor was enough to collapse the domino tower.
Also, as my tower of dominos collapsed, I noticed stuff happening on the lower levels. Probably this was debris shooting out “windows”.
So once again the conpiracy theorists are dead wrong.
r u serious? i really hope ur not serious…dominoes? ur gonna check the claim of the world trade center falling by using dominoes? DOMINOES?? brah…go find somethin else to do in your free time….ridiculous…
u people think the gov is not capable of doing this? check our past, we are NOT the good guys we claim to be…
What Debra Burlingame also said about Loose Brains
“They aren’t truth-tellers looking to save the world,” she says. “They’re con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars.”
Loose change is NOT a scam. it is all real video. so stop being selfish americans and realize what our government did to us. There are too many facts to show that the US is a part of this. and that is why everyone needs to realize what could happen in the future
I wouldn’t say that LC is a scam or that it isn’t real but the filmakers very deifinately played fast and loose with the facts
Be sure to check out the book “Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory” due out in March by Dr. David Ray Griffin.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781566566865&itm=2
http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Mechanics-Defenders-Conspiracy/dp/156656686X/sr=1-4/qid=1168895874/ref=sr_1_4/102-3028549-2492937?ie=UTF8&s=books
If Griffin’s level of research is as poor as was the case with his previous books and articles I woundn’t expect it to prove much.
You can watch Larry Silverstein admit to “pulling” WTC 7 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNEoiOP76QQ
yes.. i admit it.. i did it..
I was at one of the steel facilities that is working on the Freedom Towers just last week and I asked one of the fellas (Supervisor - name withheld) in the covered outdoor area what he thought happened to the steel in the Trade Towers on 9/11 and he said that he felt “the fuel from the planes could have been hot enough to weaken the beams and cause a pancake collapse…”
This gentleman has worked on steel for about 20 years, he told me.
I’ll take his word for it… I just have a problem with the fact that 3 steel buildings came down the same day in this country when NO other steel building has come down by fire alone.
There are definitely huge holes in the 9/11 commission report and the government could squash a huge part of this conspiracy theory if they would but let us see video of the pentagon.
There should be nothing to hide, so why are they.
There are several result of lottery on the ton
for willpower place trades. In herbal, cheat contrary gloves
to bond any exhibit that they improve.
Ask him if he finished high school physics. A wtc pancake collapse CANNOT occur in 9.2 seconds.
Absolutely impossible.
Hundreds of sims have been done since - it’s physically and mathematically impossible.
American apathy will allow this obvious demolition become another JFK whodunnit.
Americans might have doubt, but the other 95% of this planets people have no doubt.
It’s a rather sad commentary on the state of science and math education in the U.S. that even a few people can be fooled by such a blatant fraud as “Loose Change” and similar scams, so riddled with pseudoscience, half-truths and outright lies that anyone who ever took a science course should be rolling on the floor, howling at this adolescent drivel.
It’s hard to believe that these clowns can generate so much confusion just by (purposely, I’m certain) confusing the melting point of steel with the much, much lower temperature at which it softens and fails, structurally. Any fire web site reveals that the average temperature of most office fires (not even accelerated by 20,000 gallons of av fuel) is more than enough to cause steel beams and connectors to fail — and, contrary to their claims, it happens all the time, as any Google search will reveal. Catastrophic failures like 9-11 are seldom seen because generally you don’t see 120-ton planes slicing through main support columns, along with the fire, and because most office fires are minimized by sprinklers, and can be actively fought by firemen — something the plane strike made impossible.
Nonetheless, we keep hearing the same old nonsense that av gas burns at low temperatures, steel doesn’t “melt” in that range, etc., etc. — because the con men know there’s a continuous supply of poorly-educated, gullible people who’ll fall for this fecal stew of paranoia.
The “no-plane” claims are even dumber, considering the hundreds of witnesses to the Pentagon strike (names easily available online, for the curious), not to mention the easily-findable photos of landing gear, engine parts, seats and body parts, including several of burned bodies still strapped into their seats, about 50 feet inside the Pentagon. The conspiracy boobs often misrepresent the Pentagon photos (frequently labeling the small round inner hold as the initial impact site), and never show the clearer photos where you can see the damage the wing & tail sections did to the outer stone facing of the Pentagon.
For most rational people, a quick check of the credentials (if any) of the so-called “experts” on the conspiracy team would give pause: a fired Physics professor who refuses to sumit his theories for peer review or publication; a fired “engineer” who neglects to mention that her lifelong specialty was designing DENTAL bridges; an electrical engineer who usually leaves out the “electrical” part in his credentials; and a couple of theologians (!) who run a good part of the “truth movement.” Plus an assorted cast of professional conspiracy pimps who’ve been selling books & commercial airtime for decades, for whatever conspiracy “sells” this month: JFK & RFK plots, the Zionist & Freemason conspiracies, Trilateralist/Jewish banker cabals, the old standby “NASA faked the moon landing,” and several different “aliens walk among us” fairy tales.
If one wishes to believe there was some giant government conspiracy involving thousands of disparate agencies and people, both military and civilian, in the mass murder and coverup, there are plenty of people willing to lie to you and feed your frenzy. However, it does take a gigantic suspension of disbelief — very similar to religious zealotry — on your part to actually swallow this drivel.
enjoy military prison bitch……
Even Loose Change’s limp wristed half-truth hangout was too much for the government censors. If Corey Rowe was facing to much trouble anyway it’s too bad he tried to deny what was really Up and Up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLROLbkfc5o
http://www.ae911truth.org
Welcome to Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth!
134 architectural and engineering professionals and
226 “Others” including A/E Students
have joined us in calling on Congress for a new investigation.
Everyone may join AE911Truth.org!
We have several categories of folks that are concerned about the events of 9/11.
We will post your name after verifying your credentials and/or
information — which may take a few days.
Come Join Us !!
Thank You!!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/260707dischargepapers.htm
“…According to Rowe, Army officials at Fort Drum, where Rowe was held for a day and a half, seemed uninterested in the case until their phone lines were incinerated by a barrage of calls from listeners who responded to our call to action yesterday morning.
It was at that point that officials checked into Rowe’s record and immediately confirmed that he had received an honorable discharge and told Rowe he was free to leave, and even offered to pay his way to get back to New York. They were baffled as to why a warrant would be out for his arrest when he had clearly been given permission to leave the Army in 2005….”
Wow, looks like the misinformation machine is on full spin mode. I recommend the guy who claims to have found hundreds of errors in the film turn his sites on the official sham for a minute and see where the truly flawed logic is. But hey, if you think buildings can collapse at free-fall speeds, and that tower 7 wasn’t imploded, and that thermate by-products and telltales weren’t really collected at all three sites, and that numerous tapes and statements of the explosions are false, then I hope you have fun in your la-la land. The evidence in this film should give any reasonable person pause.
“Sit in that chair until you reenlist”….LOL, you’re hilarious. I’m sure that’s what happened. They “made” you sit in a chair for, what is that you claimed, a week? Whatever dude, you’re an attention whore. I’m watching your theory get dismantled right now on the History Channel. Wait, the History Channel is “in on it” too right? Maybe the rest of the military can take your stance as an excuse to run away from a deployment. You could have just said, “I’m done with the soldier thing, I’d like to take my chances as a civilian. Reenlistment? No thanks.”. Instead you tried to justify it with some wack theory that makes absolutely no sense at all. AT ALL. Hilarious bunch you are!
Im from Syracuse NY. Not far from Oneonta Ny where your from Korey. I just watched the show on the History Channel and ive never been so embarrassed in my life. To have this Boy from Central NY go on tv and totally make an ass of himself. Nothing that you brought up in the show had any backing from experts. Everything you said was Debunked. You made a fool of yourself and the people of New York.(Central ny and the southerntier) And people from here are asshamed of you. 7 figures huh? You are a fool. You state up above that what bothers you about the American Public is the bullshit they will believe on TV. Yet you want the American Public to believe this stupid little film that you did that started out as a joke. Well you made it. Your a joke. Who’s really dumping the BULLSHIT KOREY?
I live in central NY and i watched the special on the History Channel tonight. Korey stated that the trouble with the American Public is that they believe all the bullshit on TV. All i can say is THANK GOD we have TV. That way Shows like the one that was on tonight can debunk these stupid Conspiracy Theories. I think Korey, Dylan And Jason made absolute fools of themselves on tv. And as for ALEX JONES. I think hes a big Drama Queen who wants to be on TV and needs the attention because there’s abviously something missing in his life. Talk about a joke. That man takes the cake. All of you need to get a life. Thank God for men like Jim Meigs and David Coburn From Popular Mechanics who come on a show with the facts, the truths and the experts too back it all up. We need these kind of people to put these stupid conspiracy theories too rest once and for all.
Russ Wittenburg : “[Flight 77] could not possibly have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into a high speed stall”
Typical debunker : “Yes, Wittenburg is a pilot. He is also a conspiracy theorist who does not believe that ANY aircraft hit the Pentagon, which makes him stupid or insane. Too bad, because his former co-workers were on that plane. I wonder what he thinks happened to them. He believes a missile hit the Pentagon. He has not produced a single piece of evidence to back that belief. He has not attempted to account for the dozens of eyewitnesses who saw the crash. He also believes that the other 3 flights were not piloted by Arabs, because they wouldn’t have the skills. I believe that Russ Wittenburg wouldn’t have the skills to be an investigator.”
Translation : If you don’t believe what you are told to believe then you are “stupid or insane” and you can’t ask questions because asking questions is disrespectful to your co-workers and a debunker never answers the specific question when they can throw trash instead.
Do you think that with the steel softening gradually, as it gets hotter, the tower that was hit in one corner would have failed by tipping off to one side (i.e. towards the weak corner)? How can damage to one corner plus SLOW softening of the steel lead to SUDDEN total failure ACROSS THE ENTIRE FLOOR ?
This was not a case of a few critical steel bolts popping and letting the floor drop. There were multiple vertical steel columns set into the concrete so each column would have to soften and “sag” down as it bends under the weight. Thus, the collapse should have taken much longer to complete and fallen far, far off-centre.
The other thing I can’t understand about the pancake theory is why the radio mast at the very top was the first thing to start falling. How did that mast have enough weight to pancake the floor below it? The top few floors and the mast would have just stayed rigidly together all the way down — no fire and no impact damage around the top few floors. What detached the radio mast from the building structure?
Korey Rowe went AWOL. I served with him in the Army. He left twice. He cleaned his barracks room and left his equipment and even left a note saying he “was forced” to go AWOL because he couldn’t get chaptered out for failing several urinalisis test.(drug test).
And for this stupid ass movie they made, I call B.S. It seems everyone has forgotten about THE TWO BIG ASS PLANES that hit the buildings. Dumbass
“Thank you for clarifying your position. I see now that you are indeed a very reasonable person, and you are on the verge of understanding the error in your thinking. I will continue to try and help, please feel free to ask any questions.”
And then he replies like so:
“I’d like to thank you and every other higher than thou on the board blind as hell to the corruption being perpitrated against America and it citizens by rogue politions who by the way nevr consider putting their children on the front lines of the insane Operation Iraqi Liberation sacm.
I’d like to ask you, how many of you have family in the war and did you have to buy them equipment they should have already had.
Where did the 87 billion (with a big B) Go?
Why are a NG forces being cut off from military medical care as soon as they hit state side?
Its ok to be a patriot just don’t walk around with your head up you’re derrier blind as a bat.
Oooh, and for the disbelievers Why did John “Jeb” Bush coincidently put the state of Florida on alert on September 7th 2001 and isn’t coincidentle that his brother was totally aware the 9-11 was on screen when no other state was?
And the fact that he was in florida the day we lost 3000 people to a preventable terrorist event and lead us into a distraction from the WOT?
The reason we really went to Iraq qas to prevent Saddam from making a profit on the Oil in Euros instead of Dollars.
Heres a trick question I know you’ll refuse to answer: where did the Gold go below WTC4?
And what about the Swiss Nazi Gold that was supposed to be paid out to the Hollocaust victims in those Nazi Camps.
Funny how the people in the towers were ordered to return to the offices even after the people in the know knew there was a pre-known attack aimed at the towers.
Carl Roves Grandfather was alledged to have been a nazi regional commander. Bushes grandfather was a Nazi Collaborator. Swartzenegger fathers was connected to the Nazis.
Hitler had a working plan to hit NYC skyscrappers with suicide pilots even before Pearl Harbor. The Rockefeller Family through Standard oil of NJ were half owners of IG Farben which created the Zyklon B and were responsible for the WTC Project that coincidently were hit by Planes as like the Hitler project were three thousand innocent victims were sacrifised for the profit of the few.
“You can’t handle the truth”
“WORK MAKES YOU FREE”
GOD BLESS
Paul Isaac Jr (Sentinel)
NYC Civil Defense at Large”
There is an absolutely wonderful site named Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth Their web address is ae911truth..org They are a group of professionals in the process of reopening the investigation.
There are over 350 of them with more joining every day. Many of them are involved in erecting buildings as incredible as those of the WTC.
They do not dispute that there was a terrorist attack, nor do I. What they do dispute is that the original investigators left out far too much important evidence, and that they had too close a Purse-String-Attachment to the Powers that be.
Buildings do not have to be Hard-Wired for demolition in our modern age. Support Girders can be quickly strapped with High Impact Explosives and the Demolition can be carried out remotely. There are very few teams in the World that have the knowledge and technical training to do this kind of Demolition.
Before any of you continue your name-calling back and forth or stand on your political soap box, you owe it to the families of the victims and honor of the victims to visit the site I mentioned above. You owe it to your country to take a close look at the evidence these concerned professionals present you with.
Original Film taken on 911 shows Squib detonators firing off at 40 stories below the area of where the fire is as the building begins its collapse. Several films show these Squib explosions. The original investigators gave their explanation of this, I’ll get to that in the next few paragraphs.
Squibs are the main cutting element used on Support Girders that bear the Main Load of any high-rise or skyscraper when it is being demolished. They are small explosive devices that cut at an extremely high temperature.
Squibs are always strapped at an angle around the Vertical Steel Support Girder in order to create the necessary sliding effect, otherwise the girder may end up standing in place even though its been cut.
Look at the photos of the surviving load bearing girders taken at the site. They are all sheared at the same angles. Jet Fuel cannot reach temperatures hot enough to cut Girders. It burns somewhere around 1700 degrees Fahrenheit. Another 1000 degrees is needed to melt steel or cut it.
I am not saying that a Girder needs to melt in order for it to lose its strength, but it needs to get close to that temperature in order to be cut and the original photos of the Cuts showing on that day, leave no doubt.
The main thing to look at on their site are the Squib explosions going off ahead of the mass as it begins tumbling down. There is no doubt that these are explosions.
The investigative team with the purse-string attachments tried to explain these explosions as a natural phenomena effect of air being forced down from the mass above and blowing out the windows on the floors below.
That sounds good, but if you look, you see that this is not just glass exploding outward, it also has black smoke and other debris. Where there is smoke there is fire. But the Fire is 40 stories above these Squib explosions.
It’s in plain view and the Squib explosions are descending ahead of the mass in synchronicity firing as they go.
This investigation needs to be reopened by Congress, approved by Congress and a Watch Dog Committee needs to be appointed by Congress to watch the Investigators.
Go see the site ae911truth.org All of These Architects and Engineers have signed the petition to reopen the investigation and they also list their addresses and show their credentials on the site. Everything is above-board.
They have nothing to gain from this other than keeping their own integrity as real Patriots to our Country and doing what any responsible Human Being would do. They have no political agenda and are willing to be of service to all of us at getting at the truth. Let’s not pass up the opportunity.
Norman G. A Concerned Citizen.
I have a rule of thumb. I read everything and anything - and all that’s been put here. But where I seen comments that attempt to silence their opponents with ridicule, swearing and other bad tempered abuse - and most likely under a pseudonom - then I know their argument is most likely bad. Not always - I know - but a good rule of thumb. Meanwhile those that carefully try to answer and explain each point with precision and patience - and give their real name or contact details - well, they may or may not be right - but at least I would trust them. Therefore - in my humble opinion - those querying the truth of 9/11 are those I would most tend to trust. The others - I just have to ask myself - who are they? What’s their real game?